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Cliven Bundy Supporters Can’t Wait for War With the Government

In the continuing drama unfolding in Nevada and aired out on Fox News, people tied to the Bundy ranch—although not necessarily Bundy himself—continuously make threats against federal officers that are often brushed aside or glazed over.

Case in point, Bill O’Reilly gave Oklahoma Militia spokesman and co-founder Scott Shaw some airtime on his show Tuesday. While not seeming fanning the flames of an actual shootout with the government like some of his colleagues, O’Reilly instead adopted a more avuncular tone. When he said that he believed it was “wrong” to use rhetoric that drives towards conflict, Shaw responded by saying, “we’re only a nation of laws when it suits our federal overlords.”

O’Reilly, still apparently trying to be “the voice of reason” in this whole thing, asked Shaw (almost pleading with him) that he wouldn’t encourage violent confrontation. “No, I wouldn’t provoke a confrontation, but I would definitely defend myself if, you know, the federal government came and took up arms against me….” O’Reilly quickly brushed that idea aside, saying it wasn’t going to happen.

Although, here’s the thing Bill, it is absolutely going to happen. Law enforcement officers are armed and so any future confrontation is going to (at least) involved weapons being drawn. Police from the federal level to the local are increasingly militarized and all-too-quick to escalate to using deadly force. There are dozens of reports each month of cases where police get things very, very wrong. Yet, in this case, law enforcement officials are behaving more than appropriately.

Recently uncovered records show that Bundy’s family has only owned the ranch since 1948, not for over a century as Bundy claimed. Yet, he’s already surrounded himself with militia members who can’t wait to send some rounds downrange at federal officers. The Oklahoma Militia Facebook Page is full of photos and comments from people that seem resigned to the fact that they are going to have to kill all of the “stupid” people one day.

To clarify, they have the right to say that and much worse. However, with the confluence of circumstances in Nevada, they may finally have the opportunity to start the “revolution” they are so (blood)thirsty for.

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Joshua M. Patton is a father, veteran, and writer living in Pittsburgh, PA. Along with news and current events, he writes about parenting, art, and personal stories. His serial fiction story "The Prophet Hustle" is available at JukePop.com and a forthcoming independent ebook about the cam-modeling industry "Dirty Little Windows" will be available later this summer.

  • dare2speak

    Not worth even ONE comment.

    • Matt Cyprian

      Can’t put on a gasmask with that facial hair!

  • twall10107

    Take away their guns, and what’s left in this picture? Just a few information-deficient, immature unfortunates with bad character, who might even be rehabilitated through education. Guns, however, make anyone dangerous; and the more ignorant, the more immature, the more dangerous.
    Well, that’s why we’ve got police. And prisons.

    • dare2speak

      At first glance, I thought it was those posers from Duck Dynasty.

    • jericho

      If they or any of their pals start shooting, they’re soon gonna find out it’s gonna end very, very badly for them.

  • dare2speak

    I’ll bet that at least one of these fellers has received an amount of “gubment cheese” in his lifetime…But the funniest part is the video shown last night of Bundy carrying the American flag and disavowing the government. That speaks volumes about their intellect. They could at least design a flag like others before them…such as the Confederate States of America!

  • Maui_Mike

    It is nice to consolidate all these paranoid uneducated fools in one place and drop a bomb on them, they are really a bad joke.

    • boo

      they should put meth trill to them

  • diablodejalisco

    they are all ignorant. oklahoma is full of this type. they are traitors to the US government. they are no better than the taliban. i say send a drone in and wipe them all out.

    • boo

      The Okies Is our trying for the Dumbest of the dumb award

  • Thom Perkins

    Hey look, retards with guns.

    • Marlene Ross

      Please don’t classify them with “retards”…it only demeans those with developmental disabilities, to be in their category. Those with developmental disability (mentally retarded) deserve our respect to uphold their dignity as part of our beloved humanity.

      • Thom Perkins

        You’re right, my bad!

  • Dan Scott

    They look like they are with al Qaeda. Fucking losers- Domestic terrorists.

  • Jim Spillane

    Probably everyone that will be doing duty as a FBI agent will be a vet from Falluhjha (sp), or Afghanistan. I would bet you donuts to dollars that most of the right wing weekend warriors never shit at a live person, most assuredly they have never been shot at in return.
    Our Phoenix paper, which is called the Arizona Republic, once being named the Arizona Republican, is no bastion of liberal views, but it had a opinion from the main writer, he said the right was picking the wrong side in this one.
    Usually I would probably on the side of person or group against the government. They are too heavy handed on the medical marijuana dispensaries. 50% of all law enforcement is only needed because marijuana is illegal. I have been fighting a cancer for 15 years. Hands off the medicine for some of these people. Others are probably faking.
    So, I don’t care for most law enforcement when it comes to this subject. But, as a vet, the first one of any of these neo nazis wants to take a shot at law enforcement, I hope they find out they made the mistake, and picked the wrong battle. Because when the Apache attack helicopters come up over the ridge I’d pay to watch the destruction of this buffon and his minions!

    • captric

      Apache helicopters are not owned by law enforcement and there is an exclusion from using the military in police actions within the borders of the US. If Apaches show up – that means the US government is itself subversive and I might too join the fray. And I AM and ex Marine Special Operator with combat experience who HAS been shot at and hit.

      • Jim Spillane

        Thank you for your service. I served during Nam. Now, did you read the title the author put on this article? It says that these right wing militias want to go to war with the Feds. In war you use the force needed. I say go right to Spooky and the Apaches. They want war, they should get war. Thanks again.

      • Kelly Cowan

        Thank you for your service but you’re talking nonsense.

        10 U.S. Code § 333 – Interference with State and Federal law.

        The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—.

        (1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or.

        (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

        In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

        • captric

          Go for it then Kelly!!!
          As if DHS has not already worn out their welcome here in this country! Go ahead and take out those three hillbillies with a Kalishnikov sniper rife and an M-16 derivative. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
          But you have to promise me – YOU lead that charge big brave man.

          • Kelly Cowan

            You are an emotional mess.

          • captric

            That’s all you have boy???!!!
            Bwahahaha
            The last statement from the loser of any argument is his resort to hollow insults thrown anonymously over the internet.
            No wonder you still work for DHS. I quit MY federal agent job at DHS over 2 years ago mostly because of guys like you who treat american citizens like the enemy and constantly look for justification for their actions!

          • Kelly Cowan

            Sure…right…what ever you say…guy.

          • Antonio K. Taylor

            Someone speaking the truth can’t be considered a bad thing. I am a Vietnam vet and did two tours and extended for six months at the end of my last your. I do understand your sentiment. But what Kelly said is righteous. Plus Bundy has been wrong for decades. And no matter how many like-minded people join him, in the end it will not go well. And in your heart you have to know that. And as a vet and an American I would never use a weapon against either another soldier or law enforcement. And anyone with more than a teaspoon of brains would feel the same. While there are a lot of good causes out there to get behind, Brother this isn’t one of them.

        • Antonio K. Taylor

          Kelly thank you so much. There’s nothing like the truth.

  • Bobbski

    Ready for conflict until the shooting starts, then they would high tail it hoping the feds slip and slide on the shot that would by coming out of their pantlegs.

  • Finnsmom1

    How do these “Militia Men” support themselves while traveling to Bumdy Ranch from other states? Let me guess, Social Security and Disability checks.

    • Marlene Ross

      From what I’ve read they’re being supported by the Koch Bros. who are looking to take over Gov. land themselves.

      • Finnsmom1

        So an organization sponsored by the Koch Bros is cutting checks to these guys?

  • diablodejalisco

    looks like the taliban have invaded nevada.

  • J C

    I would love to see a Sasquatch run out them woods about now…these idiot rambos will be shooting each other before long.

  • sergecosta

    American Taliban

  • Christopher Brown

    Don’t those beards on those guys look awfully Muslim? They may want to watch it. First the rhetoric, now the look. They are becoming more like the Taliban every day.

  • Bill Healy

    They can’t win elections, so they feel to get way they have to resort to guns…time to wake up and squash them before they get too out of hand.

  • Wait til winter.

    Problem solved by General Snow.

  • Kelly Cowan

    Posse Comitatus white pride traitors.

    Fox News Bundy Fail

    http://youtu.be/9z5nCSU_UT8

  • Dave Williams

    These guys are even dumber than that they look. If they ACTUALLY think they can defeat the US government, the government with the most powerful, well-equipped military on the planet with a few (Admittedly) fancy high-powered rifles, I suggest they hop off of their sisters long enough to get a second opinion on their meds.

    I abhor violence, but these guys need to be ‘taken out’. ‘Twould be nice to hand Bundy a mic a couple more times first though. Let him show even more of his true colors.

    • Marlene Ross

      One of the guys in the militia, who acts like the spokesperson, was once a history teacher and also served in the marines. (so he says) One has to wonder what happen to him to become so distorted in his thinking. He thinks Bundy is highly intelligent and makes perfect sense. They choose to live in the U.S but do not recognize or accept the laws of the land. Unbelievable!

  • Matt Schultz

    Nice to see everyone here is ready to surrender to the police state god go take some more blue pills while you’re at it.

    • Kelly Cowan

      You are a delusional idiot.

  • Matt Schultz

    i’m not just saying go out and start shooting government officials but when the time come that the police are knocking on you’re door and you have no freedom left it will be to late for all yo cowards

    • Jim Spillane

      Cowards? What branch of our military were you in? Don’t lie noe because there are vets that look for traitors, who claim to have been in and received the Medal of Honor. C’mon now.

      • Matt Schultz

        I’m talking about the people on this thread cooperating with everything the government does and not even questioning them

        • Kelly Cowan

          I hope you were able to purchase your InfoWars teeshirt and coffee mug, the conspiracy cottage industry needs your cash.

      • Matt Schultz

        i aslo don’t have to be a soldier to be tough just because i was’t in the military or serve in the military doesn’t make me a coward some of us would rather be jedi (keepers of the peace) then stormtroopers(soldiers fighting a rich mans war)

  • Kelly Cowan

    These so called militia members are nothing more than a gang of delusional paranoid Don Quixote’s fighting windmills. I have been watching all of the Youtube videos that are being recorded on site in the ”Sovereign State of Bundystan”, and they have absolutely no idea what they have gotten themselves into. There is not one of them who posses the intelligence or self awareness necessary to achieve anything but self destruction. To begin with, they are fighting against something that only exist in their subjective reality, a straw man of their own making.

    What are they going to do now? They are fighting among themselves, like children playing a game, making up rules that suit one faction or another as they go. Where do they think they are going to go? The Federal Government knows who every one of them are. I am left wondering how long they will hang around there, when no one is paying any attention to them.

    Most of them have crossed state lines with weapons to thwart federal officers ability to enforce the law and carry out a federal court order. That will get you 10 years alone, not to mention the long list of other federal crimes they have committed.

    The Federal Government is being smart about this, they will wait them out, they will not allow them to become martyrs in a firefight. They know these militia members will have to leave the Sovereign State of Bundystan eventually to travel back to their respective states. When they attempt to travel they will all be exposed. They can be arrested quietly, separated from each other, on the expanse of the open highway, far away from the Bundystan, and the TV cameras. Subversive agency is left alone to talk a certain amount of shit about armed rebellion over the Federal Government, but when it travels across state lines, and brandishes weapons at Federal Authorities, in order to thwart the execution of a federal court order, or federal law, it can count on going to jail. You play with fire and…..well …you know the rest.

    http://www.justice.gov/usao/ut/documents/guncard.pdf

    10 U.S. Code § 333 – Interference with State and Federal law.

    The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—.

    (1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or.

    (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

    In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

    ‘’The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

    “The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”

    “When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.”

    “He who wishes to fight must first count the cost” -Sun Tzu

  • MaryAnn

    Of course they are ready to fight the government! They will push the women and children in front of them !

  • Martin Wagner

    If those three dimwits in the photo think they can outfight Special Forces or Navy SEALS, I say let them try. I’ll heat the popcorn.

  • William Urmson

    No problem, send in the drones and it’s over~

  • William Urmson

    Send in the Drones and blow Cliven and the rest of his ignorant supporters into Hell in a matter of minutes. Yeah I’d like that~